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Title: Domain Keys
Post by: sam0812 on April 13, 2006, 08:53:03 am

Can you tell me if using this service will help my emails avoid ending up in the junk mail folder?

http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys

Title: Domain Keys
Post by: DW on April 13, 2006, 06:26:01 pm

Sorry, I'm not sure - as far as I know their junk mail filter is based on client response toward your emails as 'spam' or 'not spam'.  You might be able to find a mention of the bulk mail folder somewhere in the DomainKeys documentation. You are also very likely to receive a helpful reply if you email abuse@yahoo.com.  

The only way I know you can become permanently exempt from the bulk mail folder is if your company is in full control of an IP.  That is, your email is sent from a dedicated server hosting all of your (companies') web sites.  A dedicated server costs about ~$100/mo from my favourite provider, 1&1 (http://hrefs.com/1and1).

Regards

Title: Domain Keys
Post by: BGSWebDesign on April 13, 2006, 08:39:44 pm

Hi DW,

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A dedicated server costs about ~$100/mo from my favourite provider, 1&1.

I'm curious as to why you say this?  I received a free account from 1&1 several years ago and was not that impressed.  

Have you personally tried 1&1 and know it will work with LMP, or do you know others that have?  

Here are a few other important questions - can you answer them:
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• Will 1&1 allow mailing large amounts of email in a short period of time?
• What do they use for their control panel, and mail setup - is it procmail, or some other variety?
• Is scripting allowed by parsing email coming in?
• How good is there support with this $100/month dedicated machine?  
• Do they provide re-starting, or does the end user have to monitor the machine?
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Many of these issues are very important and if you have not hosted there or no someone that has - I would hesitate to recommend a host for a resource intesive script such as LMP.  Please let us know where you gather the information from - and if you know someone - how large their lists are that are hosted there?

I'm at a point where considering this type of hosting would be worth it if I can push out 20,000-30,000 emails/hour without spending a lot of time on technical support/assistance - so please let us all know?

I also may be interested in your services for setting up LMP on this type of server and double checking all is working well...

Title: Domain Keys
Post by: DW on April 14, 2006, 12:20:12 pm

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I'm curious as to why you say this? I received a free account from 1&1 several years ago and was not that impressed.

Their shared hosting is substandard and not at all optimal for ListMail, due no doubt to the large # of clients and resulting abuse, however their dedicated servers are top-notch.

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1.  Will 1&1 allow mailing large amounts of email in a short period of time?

With a dedicated server you can send as much email as you like.  Only your reputation is affected.  There are very few limits to what you do with the server.

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2. What do they use for their control panel, and mail setup - is it procmail, or some other variety?

The servers come with Plesk management software to easily set up the server, your domains, and client domains.  Plesk uses qmail mail software which I've found to be very easy to use.  Client control panels with tons of great features are also included with Plesk.

Here's a demo:
http://www.swsoft.com/en/products/plesk75reloaded/demo/

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3. Is scripting allowed by parsing email coming in?

It's your machine so everything is allowed.  Parsing incoming email with CGI script can be done with a qmail email alias.  These are very easy to set up but you must be the administrator (root) and do it from the SSH command-line.  The only drawback I've found with setting up ListMail on Plesk is that these cannot be set up by the client.

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4. How good is there support with this $100/month dedicated machine?

$99/mo is unmanaged.  You can get managed servers for $109/mo but customizing the server settings and making administrator-only changes is much more difficult or impossible.

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5. Do they provide re-starting, or does the end user have to monitor the machine?

You should/must monitor your own machine and you can reboot the system in case of a crash within 20 minutes via their web-based control panel.  They also provide booting into rescue modes so you can recover you data manually in case your system won't boot.

I can set up an unmanaged root server for you including a multiple IP patch (IPs are $1/mo each), an off-site backup script, mail/mysql optimization, nameserver setup, and more  for $300.  I will 'manage' your server, applying ongoing system/security/monitoring and Plesk updates for $30/mo.

I recommend no more than ~700,000 users on a single list in ListMail with the lowest-end server.  You can push upwards of 750,000 emails/day out of the server if you like.

Regards